Maho CNC Conversion: THE MOVIE!!
Get that popcorn ready because It's finally here!
The Maho milling machine conversion all the kids are talking about!
Watch the whole thing... or... skip to the section you're interested in:
00:00 video starts here
00:51 video REALLY starts here
02:31 axis conversion overview
08:20 converted performance (rapids & speeds)
10:56 machine health & general inspection (geometric)
16:08 new CNC control add-ons
17:40 3-axis MPG
19:18 electronic tool setter
21:13 control/electrical cabinet (drives, VFD, hydraulics, oiler, relays, etc.)
23:40 servo drives wiring & I/O
24:45 AC Servos & Drives (Leadshine)
26:16 EtherCAT AC servo pricing & kits
27:22 Element-CNC industrial control PC
27:36 KINGSTAR realtime motion control
30:32 Open-Loop vs Closed-Loop for dummies, by dummies
34:34 Servo Tuning for dummies, by dummies
48:00 the end?
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Music used in this video:
Bolereando - Quincas Moreira
xtry511
پیش 13 ساعت
Tony if you want to ballbar your machine to see the accuracy with a Renishaw let me know.
Russ Ives
پیش 15 ساعت
Just discovered this channel (as in Mar, 2021). Eating up the content like warm beer nuts. Really has me questioning my life's choices.
gamer pro
پیش 21 ساعت
So much words??. No subscrib
gamer pro
پیش 21 ساعت
Dont takk just make.we undrstand
Sean Day
پیش روز
is your Y axes issues from the shaft "buckling" in the one direction. It would account for why it is one direction and not the other. Is the head pretty tight in the dovetails?
Chris Varone
پیش روز
Hey Tony, I'm an employee of IntervalZero. It was great to see someone use our product for personal use! Our product is so far down in the chain of production I rarely ever get to see anything physical come of it!
D P
پیش 2 روز
5:24 the crunch sound is from the white plastic pipe rubbing on the metal hose in the background, if you mean this sound, I dont hear anything else
Koen van der laan
پیش 3 روز
@This Old Tony, is it me (or maybe an optical illusion) or does your y-screw look like its not parallel to the ways @5:30 into the video?
ponakka
پیش 4 روز
how much is the the oval ball field in metrics. Because there is no point of translating freedom units to metrics, if you don't explain the distance of your hand egg field size.
XGalaxy4U
پیش 4 روز
That's not bad Tony. When I say that's not bad, I mean it.
adcurtin
پیش 5 روز
Love the 3 axis MPG. almost certainly going to make one for myself.
ajhatti2011
پیش 5 روز
Your freaking cut-away visuals are the best freaking part of these videos. The subtlety and humor is fantastic.
ajhatti2011
پیش 5 روز
Well if my lathe breaks down I know who to call. Lemme know if you have a transmission go out in your truck.
Nicolas Audouard
پیش 6 روز
your Y nut is missing balls
David Lewis
پیش 6 روز
When Tony first started this project (and I know nothing about any of this) I thought, “Oh cool”. And then, months later, I was like, “whatever happened to that Maho project?” Holy moly, now I see why. Way more complicated than it looks. What a project.
Danny THE Dog
پیش 6 روز
Pure overindulgance in precision cutting makes me high. So i must buy a mill, my Lord.
NUMB SKULL
پیش 7 روز
Oh boy!!!! TOYS!!!!!
guerilla2013
پیش 7 روز
I love the subtle dad jokes!
Max Headroom
پیش 7 روز
so what was causing the bearing noise? did not see you fix it.
Cristian Sánchez Furió
پیش 7 روز
"Feel free to skip if you want" OF COURSE I will skip several times. But BACKWARDS. There are some jokes so good I love listening to them several times. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 BEST. CHANNEL. EVER. ❤️❤️❤️
johnym89
پیش 7 روز
I have an idea for the problem you are running with the Y axis. The ball thread has one slide to the side of it (the whole slide of the head), causing it to bend in one direction thus being super unhealthy for these bearings. How about putting an extra bearing in a strong housing that is set to take on these forces? Or better yet give it a 'second slide' that Will counter the pull from the Main y axis slide.
kirkdis
پیش 7 روز
The Maho green is called machinery green in Germany and the color code is RAL6011 not RAWR! ;-)
Ennar
پیش 7 روز
Those of us who have never been to a football field can't imagine it
Beach Road
پیش 7 روز
Ok........great video......as usual!!! Ok......and i m not to smart..........b u t.......WHAT THE HECK DOES ......MAHO.....stand for..??????
Josiah V
پیش 8 روز
I didn't even realise it was a 48 minute video lol watched from start to finish and enjoyed every bit.
Mike H
پیش 8 روز
Tony, do you know what max RPM you have seen from these servos? Do you ever get close to the 3000rpm limit for the ones you have?
suyog sangle
پیش 8 روز
❤️ from India 🇮🇳
Nathan Quinlan
پیش 8 روز
Servos to the ribcage help with safety. Dangerous workspaces need bruising agents to remind you to watch yourself.
Man Putty
پیش 9 روز
Please do a gas spring video that would be amazing.
Spencer Callahan
پیش 9 روز
I still fondly remember the FANUC servo-tuning "blip" sound from my days working on CNC machines. Also, I now happily spend my days no longer working on CNC machines.
MAKGA
پیش 9 روز
Does she still speak with a German accent?
Daniel Lopez
پیش 9 روز
Super Awesomeness again, as Always!!
Justin
پیش 9 روز
I'd buy the Maho OnlyFans
diggerman19
پیش 9 روز
!
Grey Paladin
پیش 9 روز
Might want to add some movement locking switches or some sort of "dead-man" type switch to the MPG cube. I'm sure it's mostly fine, but I'd be worried if any freak vibrations on the table causing an MPG to move when it shouldn't. Or worse; something goes wrong and the cube is knocked off of the table, it hits the floor, the mpgs spin and send all the axes in random directions, your work is ruined, your tool explodes, the spindle is slammed into your vice and bends, and worse; you have to bring your router back while you spend a few months fixing the Maho.
Robin Forslund
پیش 9 روز
The difference in surface finish is most likley because one of the sides is climb milling (nice side) and The other side is conventional milling. I suspect it wont go away compleatly, unfortuneatly.
Calum Mackay
پیش 10 روز
Industrial electrician sees this and is beyond extremely impressed. Same guy looks at that panel and is utterly horrified! Get it sorted out man! Great channel definitely subscribing, just promise never to show me in there again!
Roger Barraud
پیش 10 روز
19:00 So are you going to add haptic feedback for the machine loads? Then it would really feel like manual jogging...
TrumanHW
پیش 10 روز
Tram (apparently) is the parallelism within the x-axis. But NOD is the parallelism within the y-axis.
Attractspsychos
پیش 10 روز
From start to finish, how long did it take to make this video?
Mihkel
پیش 10 روز
That ballnut replacement @5:18... Is it me or the crunchy sound also matches up with the metal wire harness grinding against the plastic tube rings... There is also a solid ground groove from the contact grind in the plastic tube...
Attractspsychos
پیش 10 روز
I would never think to skip around on your videos.
SimoX04_ YT
پیش 10 روز
Man the strange ticking you were hearing at the start of the video were the two pipes sliding one over the other, around 5:25, look right
Ken Russ
پیش 10 روز
Very, VERY informative! Thanks TOT for having taken what is surely a TON of time to put this all together.
Castloader
پیش 10 روز
Tony, you had me chuckling all through this. Keep up the humor, it makes learning about machining so enjoyable. Cheers!
Eragon Power
پیش 11 روز
I think that the crunching noise on the Y axis ball screw nut is caused by a misalignment, it makes that sound only when the bearing block is going towards the machine, that causes to bend even more and to destroy the ball screw nut
CheeseGuru101
پیش 11 روز
You’ve gotta be careful when working with dehydrated steel. A mate of mine didn’t have his coolant mix right and the piece expanded by 20x, he hasn’t been the same since
Systems Planet
پیش 11 روز
That machine sounds as bad as I feel
JD
پیش 11 روز
Why a Mach based controller and not a commercial controller and software?
David Marcus
پیش 11 روز
"...but it can become a rabbit hole if you keep thinkin' you could just get a little bit better." Truer words never spoken!
yeah nah yeah
پیش 12 روز
11:35 had me in a fit of laughter hahahaha
yeah nah yeah
پیش 12 روز
Scratch that the whole lot did hahaha
Way's Coatings
پیش 12 روز
This Old Tony relly blows my mind! Where are you based out of?
Way's Coatings
پیش 12 روز
Just a heads up I was a machine builder for American Broach and built alot fof the CNC Broach Sharpeners and I might have some insight for your ball screw problems too. We need to Colab !!
Keith Monarch
پیش 12 روز
Tony, I have been enjoying your various machine projects. And do a nice job explaining/how-do. This might be the first time I popped 😳 a comment. If you're interested, for some good add on's to automate, for your machinery. Have you ever heard of Direct Automation 🤔. Check out this company. One day, we should chat together.
Gary Stewart
پیش 12 روز
What did i just watch I'm sure it was some guy talking about a big green machine that does some sort of wizardry with metal
Tony_in_PA
پیش 12 روز
I love me some long format Tony.
CenturionPlays
پیش 12 روز
Don't worry Tony. I watched the whole video. I even rewatched some of it because i kept getting distracted.
William T. Musil
پیش 12 روز
Hiya
Greg Ranbo
پیش 12 روز
Don't worry about dove tail ways unless you have to hold .001 tolerances I operated a nc bridge port in the 70s with dove tail ways. no big deal Since then I operated and maintained 14 different cnc's . 13 had box ways, and I could hold .00005 tolerance on grade 2 titanium on a Takasawa lathe . We had Mazak mills and Lathes and Yams too.The only machine with ball ways was a Swedish drill press with 54 x 72 in travel. Are you Canadian because you work in metric? I still have not changed over. The ball screw clicking could be that you do not have double ball nuts face to face preloaded apart. This eliminates any backlash and some ball nuts takes one directional load only. The ball screws were anchored at each end with double angle contact bearings . to keep the screw from flexing. We would take 2in thick 304l stainless plate clamp it on two inche copper parallels so it would not slip also to allow for the chips to clear the cut.Chips and heat are your enemy! Drill a 1in hole thru the plate and use a 1 dia x 2.25 in corncob end mill all the way thru the plate . 200 rpm and 2in of feed full depth to make this plate into a doughnut shape. Did this for 39 years. Corn cob cutters are the best,1st rule of milling always climb cut, 2nd rule of milling always climb cut, 3rd rule of milling never conventional cut Use double ball nuts face to face preloaded and double angle contact bearings at both ends of lead screw. Have a good day.
John Scott
پیش 13 روز
Where did you get those gas shocks? Need a pair for my 100 year old mill. The table weighs around 500 lbs at least. Needs help going up. Have to buy a 2hp motor just to move it. Got a car steering wheel on it now. The base the table rides on is huge. The table 32inch and can move 38 inch left or right because of the huge base it's on. And no the ways aren't over tightened.
RedFathom
پیش 13 روز
connector is a dbhd44. better than a db13w3 i guess.
caphenning
پیش 14 روز
The cause of the .0001 drop is what is causing your Y axis to chew up.
Paul Kepner
پیش 14 روز
Hey Tony, what camera or cameras do you use to record your videos?
Aaron Westbrook
پیش 14 روز
Hey Tony, it almost looks like the y-axis crunch sound is being caused by those two hoses rubbing together! Just a thought!
مصطفى اللجي
پیش 15 روز
Good job you can make an Chuck
Drimaropoylos Ioannis
پیش 15 روز
Hi Old Tony, when you cutting a cycle cw the mill behaves like conversational milling because the left side cuts more material, and when cut a cycle ccw the mill is behave like climb milling because the right side cuts more material, I thing this is the reason you see different finish in the s type groove
Eduardo Rojas
پیش 15 روز
@ThisOldTony I'm not sure if you were joking, but at 5:23 you can see there is a tube rubbing against another in the back, making the crunching sounds you mentioned
delmar93
پیش 16 روز
love this.
TheDarmach
پیش 16 روز
While printing cases for the buttons you could create embossed names/descriptions for the buttons on the 3D model :)
Fugly Joe
پیش 17 روز
I watched this in two sittings...
Captain Mother
پیش 17 روز
Can't help but notice those Chinese Leadshine ELP-750 Ethercat drives are already gone or hard to get.
John Anderson
پیش 16 روز
It's hard to tell with Chinese knock-off EtherCat stuff...I've heard good things (cheap) and horror stories (had to replace after a few months, weird firmware bugs, motor bearing failures etc.). I'm sure Tony will tell us if it's breaking down over time. It's always suspicious when you see this stuff being hawked on eBay, AliExpress, etc. Hopefully it will all work great for him. Thanks for nice video!!
David Wells
پیش 17 روز
Weren't you having issues with the y axis essentially right after you got it? Could there be a underlying issue with the u axis that's causing the ball nut to break?
RazielTheBoo
پیش 17 روز
Honestly Tony, hearing you find your voice, grow more comfortable in your videos, and learning so much from you, has been awesome. :D
Brett Spillman
پیش 17 روز
Fantastic video. A bit more on servos.. Not all of them have batteries. The reason that servo has a battery is because it has an absolute encoder (this is how it can "remember" its position through a powercycle.) Some servos, like Allen-Bradley servos, use an incremental encoder but rely on the controller to maintain reference. In the machinery I work with on a daily basis, German paper converting equipment, there are many servo-driven elements. Since they're using incremental encoders, we have reference sensors on particular parts of the machine that the controller uses to "home" an axis. I've recently started watching your videos regularly and I'm really impressed with the amount of information you're relaying to the audience. I've learned a ton from you and I really appreciate the content. I've decided it's time to get a mill myself and stop using the ones at work for home projects. Originally, I wanted to get a CNC mill but the more I watch your videos and a few others on IRface, I think I'd be better off getting a manual mill and adding CNC capability. This video may very well have catalyzed that idea. Thanks again for the great information and the laughs!
Demian Marcath
پیش 17 روز
those are tapered gibs your y axis has there those can tighten up under motion if they have some play. now they should have either one screw pushing on either side which is a system that pretty much eliminates play in the gib but most of the time, for ease of use, they have one screw that fits into a groove to push the gib in and out ant if some part of that is worn the gib has some play to tighten up under load and screw up a ball screw in one way only
Demian Marcath
پیش 17 روز
gliding ways can also work in rapid back and forth motion pretty well if they're lubricated enough, which they likely are in this case. still, scraping the ways can go a long way in keeping the oil on the ways under rapid motion. don't worry about the geometry, it should be finde the way it is and just a few crossing scrapes every half an inch is enough for those chonky guideways
Hugh Frater
پیش 17 روز
Tony, do you know if your motion control system is driving those servo drives with step/direction or in torque mode with 0-10v inputs for speed and torque?
Hugh Frater
پیش 17 روز
Those leadshine servos are tiny - amazing. I've a ton of experience with the Lichuan ones, they're fantastic value, I think we pay around $250 for a 750w drive and motor package.
ckid slag
پیش 18 روز
11:35 When you got to tell your folks some bad news.
Stephen Ferrell
پیش 18 روز
Question, has MAHO called and asked for their machine back? :)
BullofMagTime 3D
پیش 18 روز
5:21, If you pay close attention, you will see the sleaf ripple against the hydraulic-line... just saying
KillerkoUK
پیش 18 روز
Did I just watch a 48 minutes long video about some cnc machine?
crazzo PL
پیش 18 روز
Hey Tonny! Isn't that weird sound in 5:37 a sound of a steel thingy rubbing on white plastic thingy?
desert_jin
پیش 19 روز
My mechanic training is nearly a decade old, I am not good at electrics and useless with electronics, yet I've enjoyed the whole thing (though my two braincells went "nope!" for the electronic part) !
dcw56
پیش 19 روز
I sure miss This Old Tony. Nice that the new CNC guy kept the same hands and voice, though....
i992dc
پیش 19 روز
THIS OLD IS THIS OLD TONY I FELL IN 🖤 WITH! welcome back misterMR
Joe Donohue
پیش 19 روز
do you want your conduit wire opening to fill with chips? Cover them up....
Keith’s Garage
پیش 20 روز
So who are the two others that made it to the end?(; I love these longer videos there just so packed right to the tippy top with information. And it’s the good stuff too, not like the crap you see on the news.
Tim Piggott
پیش 20 روز
That was incredible Tony. I have no idea what you're talking about and yet I enjoyed every minute. I have attempted to watch "gone with the wind" (oh Ashley, oh Ashley) a couple of times but given up before the end! Not with this video! I am the 4th person to watch it all. I even think I could fool someone into thinking I know the difference between savoury and fruit loops! Thank you for making me a better person 💝😘
Pete DiCapua
پیش 20 روز
This old Tony. Try an Igus ball screw instead. No crunch and cheap and tough
stewartfrye
پیش 20 روز
Maho, Maho man, i'd like to be a Maho man. I guess the guy in leather was German?
Tomoko's Enterprize
پیش 20 روز
WOW, I'm with Ron Covell, , , ALL IN ONE BREATH, Amazing.
Cameron
پیش 20 روز
5:40 Do you think that ah perhaps the crunch sound is coming from those two ribbed pipes rubbing together in the background?
Richard Markham
پیش 20 روز
Epic videos on this conversion Tony! So, if you here back at square one, would you do it again? (Ignoring all the lovely content you've created at the same time) Is buying an old CNC Bridgeport a better starting place?
This Old Tony
پیش 20 روز
right now? no. in a few years? prolly. 😁
Ricks Roadies
پیش 21 روز
"Green Mile", love it!
Garrett Carlson
پیش 21 روز
"Why do I watch these videos? I HATE machining!!" Also me- hey look a new TOT video.
Casey Roman
پیش 21 روز
Personally, I'd change out the gravel in the " Y" ballscrew. I tend to like smooth river pebbles over crushed granite.
Logan M P E
پیش 21 روز
Boy those overhead shots are hard on the vertigo!
Tom Jacobs
پیش 21 روز
I don't know anything about machining, milling, cnc, turning what have you at all. Barely have a concept of what those terms even mean. I guess its either Tony's style of presentation or me being a masochist that not only had me sitting through the entire video but even put my automatic porn downloader on pause for 48 mins.
ROBRENZ
پیش 21 روز
A 48 minute video is not long. There is some idiot on YT doing 90 minute videos and not even apologizing, rediculous! Great video Tony as always! ATB, Robin
This Old Tony
پیش 21 روز
90 minutes?! the nerve of some people! 😉😘
Neodimium
پیش 21 روز
The color is RAL6011.
Kurt Stedman
پیش 21 روز
The paper trick is still the best for 3D printing! Automatic bed leveling is kinda meh.